TRANSCRIPT: COVID-19 Directors' Chat - December 17, 2020


Directors' Chat
Thursday, December 17, 2020

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Helloo!

  Ginger- Athens: hiya!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Good afternoon, everyone!  Happy last chat of 2020!

  Maria Dent - Mt. Zion District: Hello everyone

  Michelle Barclay PLD: Hi everyone!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Have your libraries and communities gone into holiday mode?

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Hiya!

  Shari Rawlings: We sent out 48 Santa Letters to the kids in our area.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): "holiday Mode". Define?

  Janet-Carlinville Public Library: The library is on holiday from December 22-26th.  Looking forward to it!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Awwwww. You send out Santa Letters. that's sooooo cute and sweet.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Things getting a little quieter as people are focusing on whatever their celebrations will be this year.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Santa letters are so much fun!

  Teresa (Paris): We didn't decorate this year, but our children's "Santa Sacks" pickup begins tomorrow

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Shari. Like answering questions to their leters?

  Ginger- Athens: Santa Claus came to story hour this morning!

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We did Santa letters for the first time and got around 32. We were really pleased.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: Gingerbread house contest at out library

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Ginger. Awwwwwww

  Shari Rawlings: Monday, SantasElf is g oing to hand out bags of popcorn and reindeer food. They will just drive up and stay in their car.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: How did you do it, Bill?

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We did grab-and-go ornament kits and they went over really well.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: We grabbed an idea from last week's chat and we are in the process of creating the Twelve Days of Christmas craft kits.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: We are collecting, quarantining and delivering Christmas presents to local kids because the Lion's Club wasn't able to this year. It has been fun.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): We are offering  "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" Craft kits. (Hopefully the phrase is not trademarked).

  Ginger- Athens: We were a hosting site for "angel tree" tags and gifts this year. 81 children had clothes purchased because of it. Now working on a canned food drive! Lots of need in the community this year...

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Ginger - that's wonderful!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Our craft kit grab bags are being offered at our downtown event this Saturday. Drive through event. Had to make 45. Originally they asked for 50-60 which is a lot. I had to choose quantity over quality for the craft but i was told it's still cute by my staff.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: Bought kits and made them available to the public (actually they were chocolate houses (Hershey's Kisses based).

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Jo. That's cool! So a different craft for every day then of the 12 huh. Giving out now or right before Christmas?

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: Michelle that is amazing.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Ginger. That is wonderful! Sounds like your library is doing some great community service.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Hi Everyone

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: How's the sexual harrassment training going at your library. It is due by the end of the year.

  Shari Rawlings: We also did a take n make craft for the adults.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @ Anna, thanks! We got a ton of gifts! My husband and I are renting a van or U Haul to deliver them all in!

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Shelley - it will be in two installments.  Next week they can pick up the first 6 craft kits.  The week between Christmas and New Year

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: 's they can pick up the second 6 kits

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Nice to have an activity between Christmas and the New  Year.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: What are libraries doing about FFCRA expiring at the end of the month? We have had a few staff our for testing/quarantine/and one out with COVID and I want to talk to my board about extending the leave, even if the act isn't renewed.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Bill. We have to all do sexual harassment training? This is now a legal requirement?  (I know the policy has to be done every two years).....

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):  We are doing the snowman stew bags for our adults these past two weeks, they love them. Its hot coco mix, mini marshmallows, Hershy kisses and candy canes in a ziploc bag, lots of smiles

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: That's what I was told.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @ Bill...mine is done. Now I am just trying to understand this new student card. I thought I understood it until people started asking all those questions at the webinar. I hope we will get some clarification!

  Teresa (Paris): @Bill  My last staff member finished the training yesterday.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Yes, Shelley, we have to do it each year.

  Dawn Rutschke Sherman PLD: We have also done take and make crafts. The most popular is just a Christmas lights scavenger hunt we printed out. Both parents and children seem to love it!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): But is that a law or a policy requirement.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Ellen.  Do you know?

  Julia Pernicka, IHLS: Required Sexual Harassment Training:

  Ginger- Athens: @Dawn, we may need to come get that...

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: @Shelley, it was new legislation last year, so not surprising that you missed it.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): whoopsies.....

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Also going to do Reindeer bags for the kids soon. we have The Wild Reindeer Story Walk in the front hallway. grab bags of reindeer items  will be handed out starting Monday. Fun times

  Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library: @Dawn That sounds interesting! Is it available on your website?

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: It is a law for Illinois businesses.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Thanks, Julia!

  Shari Rawlings:  Do libraries have to pay you if you are in quarantine ? My board says they will only pay if I can prove I got it from the library.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): oh oh oh oh @Cassandra. Thank you! That's why I missed it.

  Rachel R - Steeleville Public: I'm glad I remembered the sexual harassment training before the year of the year. We start tomorrow, but I only have two staff members so it shouldn't take long.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Poop. I don't think I can get all my workers to get that done in time. They all work different shifts and we are closed for the holidays. they don't all have inernet access at home either.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Whoopsies. Gonna be done in hindsight.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @ Shari, they need to look at the law. My understanding is yes

  Dawn Rutschke Sherman PLD: No but I can send it to you!

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Janet- Staunton is also taking a break this year. We will be gone from the 24 thru Jan. 6.. we thought it would be a safer option due to covid numbers to take a break after the Christmas gatherings

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Thanks for mentioning it! I had no idea.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Shari, early on in the spring it was suggested to us that it would be very hard to prove that a person had definitely been infected at the library.  I guess a direct exposure to an infected person might change that.

  Shari Rawlings: Thanks, that is what I thought.

  Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library: @Dawn That would be fantastic!

  Dawn Rutschke Sherman PLD: I will send it to you Ginger

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): We did our training back in May in the shutdown. It gave everyone something to do

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Shari. I think there is a new state or federal law that says you have to pay employees if they are out with Covid. Can someone back me up on that?

  Shari Rawlings: our board says we must use our vacation time.

  Teresa (Paris): @Shelley. It's not interactive. Print it out so they can read it.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Teresa. Ohhhhh ok thanks!

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Shelley Though I heard that law expires at the end of the year. Does anyone know if it was extended? This is all hearsay btw. I haven't researched it, so take it with a grain of salt

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: But if you don't pay them, they'll look for work elsewhere, and I don't know about your library, but at ours it takes months to bring them up to speed with training taking at least 3 months.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Doing it now. It's possible they can get it done at work then if it's not a long video kind of training.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Michelle. That's interesting....\

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: I just asked our HR staff person, I'll let you know what she says.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): I love reading what everyone is doing at their libraries-- Lots of positive energy out there :)

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: We did ours on ZOOM and saved it so it could be viewed when convenient.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Also don't forget they can file for unemployment if you don't pay them! (You would pay less, but technically you are going to pay them either way).

  Michelle Barclay PLD: How are you all handling it when people are actually sick with Covid but not bed bound. Are you still assigning them work?

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar):,     Here you go everyone!

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: If  they can do work from home, yes. Most of our staff don't have such work they can do.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Michelle. You are right. So far only through Dec. 31, 2020. So I don't know if it will be renewed or what happens after that. I mean it's not like Covid will be gone by January 1st. Ha ha ha

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Michelle - Our employee who had COVID is the one who maintains our website. She did that from home as she was able, but otherwise, I didn't assign her anything.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): The emergency Employee Rights that was issued in March says this- Our board has been very good to us- so glad they are on following what was voted on  in our budget last Jan. before all this went down

  Michelle Barclay PLD: Thank you to those who chimed in! I appreciate it. It helps to know what others are doing

  Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library: @Michelle I've only had one staff member with COVID. Extreme fatigue was her worst symptom, and she slept most of the days. I did not assign her anything.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Shelley, it will be interesting to see if that rule is extended

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Employers with less than 50 employees may not qualify to pay their employees if they are out sick with covid. Personally I think we should, just as when we were closed. but that's just me.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: I feel the same, Shelley. It isn't their fault

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Shelley, I think many library boards have agreed with you on that.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): yeah. soo essentially it is a board decision of course. but Ellen's right.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): I have 2 questions for today totally unrelated to Covid laws and Christmas. Can I go for it?

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: Go for it

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Sure!

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: Our board made the decision to go ahead and pay staff

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: My board paid my staff during our shut down back in April, but my president wants to talk about furloughing staff if we shut down again or curbside extends into the summer.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: I am preparing arguments against it now.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: Good for you, Bobbi!

  Marsha Burgener A-HPL: My board agreed the money was in the budget and agreed to pay regular salaries if out with Covid, or reduced hours. 

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): I have a board member who wants us to do online story hours. (I'm not doing it right now because I'm busy with other projects and I've been told it's sorta a waste because the kids are tired of elearning). But instead she wants a theater group to do it which is fine with me. But most publishers only seem to give permissions to educators and librarians specifically. Not necessarily theater groups. Anyone know of any publishers who have expanded who can read their stories with temporary permissions during covid?

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Shelley- I did not know that, I was using it as a guideline for us if it happens. One of our staff members was exposed and went into isolation at home for a few days while waiting for the test to come back, the board jumped in and paid them for time away since they were doing it to protect everyone else just in case. Staff safety is number one here for us

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): I think Simon and Shuster and Penguin Random House are the only ones I saw that are not specific to librarians and teachers....thoughts?

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): No idea on that one/ theater groups and on line stories?

  Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library): @ Bobbi - furloughing employees?  I find that we are much busier during curbside services than when we are open.  Plus we are providing entertainment for our community through grab-go crafts for kids, teens, and adults.

  Shari Rawlings:  I think since the money is already i the budget , tax payer money , we should get paid , not the library use that as a way  to save money.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Lisa - YES! I have to demonstrate to him that that is the case. I don't think he realizes the amount of work that goes into curbside.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: I'm also cautiously optimistic about the vaccine being available bit by bit and warmer weather.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): How is everyone doing? are you still open or have you gone back to Curbside in your areas? Staunton is curbside thru Dec-- we will come back Jan 7 in curbside but hope to open again to the public if MCPHD numbers are lower

  Anna Yackle - IHLS:             Shelley sometimes theater groups have a set group of stories they act out any way. Will you pay for the presentation or not?

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Yeah so the reading stories online is obviously a copyright thing. But I'm having a hard time finding publishers that would let other groups read besides teachers and librarians.

  Jackie CAMP: We sent 100 santa letters to Santa Claus Indiana for the post mark and we have made up about 30 boredom bundles that include about 50 kids. We handed them out this week.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Anna. They are willing to do it for free. But that doesn't matter if I can't find them stories to read with temp permissions.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: I'm very optimistic and think things will be back to almost normal by April

  Jackie CAMP: I agree with you Bill

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Jackie- that is a GREAT Idea. I wish I had thought of that with sending letters to Santa Claus Ind

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Bill - as my grandma used to say, "From your lips to God's ears."

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public: I spent a fair amount of time choosing books for a specific AR level this morning for a curbside patron.  Do you all use the AR color coded stickers?  Is there additional information that you have on the book?  My patron needed books between 3.0-3.9.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: Shelley can they just do traditional fairy tales or be able to adapt them so they can become their own?

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Anna. They don't have their own set of stories that I know of. She said they stick to works in the "public domain."

  Michelle Barclay PLD: Curbside here and it seems I have someone in quarantine every other week. I honestly think we'd be completely shut down because of Covid had we not gone curbside. I think curbside is the only thing keeping us open.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: It's amazing how easily all of you adapted to curbside during this most recent set of mitigation efforts.

  Shari Rawlings: We are mostly doing curbside, but they can make an appointment  to come in, just 1 person  at a time for 20 minutes

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Shari- that is what the board says here- if its already scheduled in the budget, then we should do it. We are getting paid during our two week shut down dafter Christmas since we feel it is a safety measure.

  Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library): Curbside services only here.  And I agree, Michelle.  If I hadn't gone curbside I think we would be totally closed/in quarantine.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: I know at my library, we learned a lot from curbside back in May and it was easy to slip back into that service model.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public: We are open to patrons but ask that they make it a quick trip inside the building.  We offer curbside if they prefer to get books that way.

  Kami - Germantown: @ Kathleen - 3.0-3.9  Bad Guys, Magic Tree House, Dinosaur cove, The Who is/Who was series.  Junie B. Jones.  Just a few ideas.  :-)

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Anna. I suggested fairytales as well. But I think my board member wanted them to do more. But you know...copyright. Pretty sure I taught my board president it isn't as easy as she thinks it is. So then she asked me why I was able to read so many stories online over summer and such. Even though I didn't expect that question to be turned around on me, glad I had an answer prepared. Again, a lot of the publishers are giving teachers and librarians permissions because it's a common standard and practice in our profession. But very specific to us.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: I agree with Ellen's comment.  You have dealt with less than ideal situations but you continue to adapt and in some cases really excel.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We allow one patron in at a time for computer use. If we're still curbside after Christmas, we'll start making browsing appointments.

  Jackie CAMP: We have been very fortunate, we have been open since May and even thought we are only open 34 out of 53 hours, we have not had to close up and everyone has been healthy/

  Nichole L. (Millstadt): @Shelley, you might want to look at Project Gutenberg. They have tons of stories in the public domain.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Also, Hillsboro Library is open with regular hours. We are in Stage/Phase 3. We follow the same phases as the state. We aren't back at curbside yet, but I'm afraid it could go that way. I am predicting it may with gatherings for the holidays and cases rising. But you never know. We will see what happens.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): I think us librarians are very used to "working with what we got" and therefore are adaptable. Tight budgets can teach you that REAL quick!

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @ Jackie, you are so lucky! Regardless of how much we were cleaning and all the masks and such, there seemed to be a staff member exposed at least every other week. I am pretty sure the health department knows me by name now.

  Rachel R - Steeleville Public: We are curbside only 3 days, open 3 days a week, maximum capacity 10 people in the building, checking everyone's temperatures as they enter.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Shelley - we returned to curbside when the Governor mandated Tier 3 mitigations

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): We all have friends and family  in this area who have been hit with this covid --It has been tough. Curbside is the only way I felt comfortable being open right now.

  Rachel R - Steeleville Public: And reduced hours

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public: @Kami I did use some of those titles but many of the Who is * books are over that reading level.  I need to implement a better system than making a guess at what might fit in that particular range...

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Nicole. Excellent idea. I am familiar with Project Gutenberg but have not used it much or looked into in depth.

  Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library): @ Kathleen - sometimes all we can do is guess.  As much as I would like to think I can do it all, I just have to admit I can't.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Michelle. Those of you that have a staff member constantly exposed. I'm assuming you have a much bigger population than a lot of us. Bigger staff as well?\

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Rachel. You can check temperatures. I thought the lawyers advised us this wasn't good to do or is it in your policies Rachel (which may override the other things)

  Ginger- Athens: @Kathleen, they used to use AR labels here, but then AR redid some of their categorizing and our people gave up on it. I'm not sure if AR changes them often, but something to consider before labeling.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): We are not doing computers at all- no one is allowed in -- sad to say this means computers. We do have wifi out in the hallway and around the building. I know, it has been tough since everyone here is now back to e learning and looking for connections.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Jo. Gotcha. Every library is different. like I said our plan follows the states, but it isn't necessarily closing our doors. I know museums, and amusement places were advised to close, but libraries were never listed so we stayed open. To each his own.

  Rachel R - Steeleville Public: @Shelley Our board decided to do it and we were given thermometers by the health department. We haven't had any complaints yet.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: It is good to remember  as Lisa states, no one can do it all. This has been a tough year for everyone. I want to encourage everyone to be kind to yourself  and be compassionate in your self care.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Jo, Litchfield, Nokomis and Raymond are all open. But you are a different county after all.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): to each his own. no judgement

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): it's a board decision anyway....

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: The Elephant's Child by Kipling used to be my go to story when I had to do something on a moment's notice and my son did it a few years ago when he had to read to a class.  I'm sure it's in the public domain.  Here's a link:

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: When we were shut down in April, I had to turn away people who needed computers to file for unemployment. I didn't want patrons to have to go through that again. We are forunte to have a very large building, so we were able to move one of our computers to an area away from staff.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Shelley, no, I only have 6 staff members! And a very small town. BUT a lot of people here still don't like to wear masks. I think that has a lot to do with it. We have always been very strict about the mask mandate at the library, but the bar up the street is packed with people not wearing masks every evening. And the local restaurant is still open for indoor dining. So it really doesn't matter how careful we are int he library because much of the rest of the community isn't careful. My aunt just dies from Covid 2 weeks ago, so it really irks me to see people STILL not wearing masks and taking precautions.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: I know that set up doesn't work for a lot of libraries.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Julie., I totally understand being curbside right now. I lost a family member to Covid. She was 86. :(

  Maria Dent - Mt. Zion District: We have been curbside and by appointment (1 person or family group for 30 minutes) since Tier 3 mitigation started.  This is working really well although actually a lot more work for staff.  I believe the mitigation is at least through January 9 so we plan to continue as we are until at least then.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Michelle - I am so sorry for the loss of your aunt.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Jo thank you

  Jackie CAMP: MIchelle we have the same situation, nobody likes to wear a mask in our county. Thank goodness we require them to wear them in the library.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Bobbi- I don't blame you at all. that hadn't come up here  that I know of with unemployment claims but it would hurt not to help someone needing to file those claims and could not get to it.

  Jackie CAMP: I am so sorry Shelley

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Julie. We are offering computers. But I'm wondering if we should close them down because I'm constantly being asked for help and I'm not supposed to be giving it. But I can't just NOT help people. It's not in my blood.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Shelley - I am so sorry for your loss.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: @Michelle, I'm so sorry about your aunt.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Rachel. That's wonderful the health department backed you on that.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: These losses are so tough.  I'm happy to report that the Jackson County board here in Carbondale just passed something that would enable law enforcement to fine restaurants and bars that are offering indoor service.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @ Michelle and Shelley - I'm so sorry to hear that.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Ellen. Thanks for the story tip.

  Jackie CAMP: I am so sorry Michelle

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): I know goodreads has a list of public domain children's works.

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: Someone on the ARSL listserv shared this YouTube link about how to handle people not wanting to wear masks:  It's pretty good.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Staunton has a place  that is connected to the local food pantry- job hunting, unemployment claims, GED-- . They are a godsend!

  Michelle Barclay PLD: Thank you for your condolences, everyone. I am sure we can all collectively say we cannot wait for this to be over!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Michelle. That's sad to hear. I am not surprised you are seeing the cases you do. Our town is half in half. Half the people wear them outside the library, a few don't. But they all do at the library and zero complaints with our policies. Not a single case of covid at my library (that i know of). A lot fo the staff has been tested at one point or another including myself. Although we've all been very sick, just not with covid.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: I have a hard time when people don;t wear masks, I  am vulnerable  and I know 5 people who have died.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: This is just a reminder that if you missed the SHARE Membership Meeting last week, we have it now posted on the SHARE website.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: I'm sorry, Anna

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Michelle. I lost my great aunt to Covid. So I know how you feel about being upset about the mask thing. :(

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Jackie thank you for kind words.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: No trouble (so Far) with requiring masks in the library.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Oh My gosh Michelle- so sorry to hear about your aunt. So sad.. It can be very frustrating when people do not do the right thing--

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: there There are over 300,000 people who have died in the USA from this . Masks make a difference

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: We also have a vote open. Thank you to everyone who submitted their vote! It can be difficult to get to a quorum, so if you haven't yet voted, please do!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: I learned that a doctor friend of our received the vaccine yesterday!  Have any of you had friends/family that have been vaccinated or are scheduled to be vaccinated?

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Jo. Thank you. It's sad, but she was starting to get dementia and didn't want to end up in the nursing home. Can't say this was a nice way to go, but possibly the way she wanted it.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: Mask wearing has devolved into politics, were it didn't belong.

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: PH44AJ2KPNZ

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: ...and it's interesting to see how easily school kids have adapted to masks!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Anna. That's awful. I'm sorry too.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: Sorry, I will get off my soapbox and I hope I did not offend anyone. Kind of a hot button for me.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Anna - I am so sorry.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): My dad's best friend is fighting it in the hospital. He has good days and bad. My dad is very worried though. Tom is like a second dad to me and my brothers

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Onto question #2. Something more positive, maybe awkward and funny (not funny).

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Ellen - my son who works in the medical field on a military base is scheduled to get the vaccine.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Is it ok to read the bookclub book on the job? It's bookclub for work. But I feel so guilty doing it. I don't hardly EVER read on the job. But I've been sooooo busy with programming, I barely have time to read the bookclub book at home. Do you folks allow your book club leaders to read the bookclub book on the job? Yeah or nay?

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: It's interesting how warm they keep your face in this winter weather! It might cause a trend in future years LOL

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Please don't judge me too harshly. It's not something I normally do. I just can't keep up.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: Interesting fact - one of the leading scientists at Pfizer who helped develop the vaccine is from Greenville and went to my church.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: @Julie, how scary. I hope he recovers soon.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Shelley, I say yes for sure. I listen to the book club book while working. The book club is for the library, yes?

  Ginger- Athens: We allow reading on the job (even for pleasure!) by staff as long as there is nothing else they should be doing.

  Rachel R - Steeleville Public: @Shelley, it's part of your job. I honestly think you should get paid for it.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: @Shelley, it is for your job!

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: LOL sorry... I'm redeeming digital movie codes before the end of the year.  For those that circulate devices with digital movie codes, what do you use?  Roku?  I've set up a Movies Anywhere account...looks like I might need to also set up a paramount, moviesreedem and disney movie rewards accounts as well.  Any advice on what your library does with it's digital codes is appreciated.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Jo, Hometown hero!

  Ginger- Athens: I never have time to read here, but I will read the 6th grade book club book on work time... I have a 6th grade leader, but am obviously facilitating.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Ginger.  What's the book?

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Michelle. Phew that makes me feel so much better. It IS indeed for HPL's bookclub. Which I do help lead the discussion in often (they are often selflead, but I will help come up with questions if it gets too quiet).

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Ellen - YES!

  Jackie CAMP: I want to share something with you all that Phil Lenzini said to me: "There are no bronze stars for librarians....even if there should be". Nobody is giving us any awards so just do the best you can and forget the rest.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @ Rachel - we use Roku. We have two that we circulate.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Why do I feel so guilty reading at work?! (I feel guilty too when someone sees me reading it and feel i have to explain myself).

  Jackie CAMP: Jo that is very interesting

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: @Shelley, I have worked at 5 different public libraries and as long as the book is for a library related program or book club it was all right to read during working hours.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Jackie, I like that quote

  Ginger- Athens: Mockingbird (mok'ing-burd) by Kathryn Erskine

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: @Bobbi Do you know how many accounts you've set up to store the codes?  

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: I have read book club books on the job. I have two kids, so reading at home doesn't happen often.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): lol. To give you all a laugh. The meeting is tonight. 40  something pages to go!

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @ Rachel - we have a Movies Anywhere, Vudu, and Apple movies account.

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: Thanks!

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public: @ Shelley What is the book?

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @ Shelley - I may or may not have gone to a meeting or ten without finishing the book...

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: @Jackie, good advice.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Ginger. That's wonderful. I told the staff before if it's a day that's incredibly dead (especially around the holidays) i will sometimes let them read for pleasure. I think it makes them better at their jobs because as i see it. Then they can recommend the book and provide readers advisory!!!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): They are always allowed to read the local newspaper as long as they help the person in front of them. Helps them to know whats going on in the library world.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): i mean at our library. and local world. you knew what i meant!

  Stephanie Carmi Public Library: I feel it is important to read a book before it is recommended to your patrons.  Some of our older patrons may be offended by some material and this way you have a heads up.  I personally do not like to recommend a book I have not read.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Thanks Cassie-- It s been 16 days but so far he is not on a ventilator . I am trying to be positive!

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: @Shelley, speed reading is a good thing!

  Ginger- Athens: One of my staff members has read almost all the adult books we have... She is a very valuable resource! Read away!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: If any of you would like to review or weren't able to make it, here's the link from last Friday's Members Matter Meeting:

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Jo so cool.. a scientist from Pfizer is from your area!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Jackie. Isn't Phil great?! I love Phil. There's been a couple of times, I felt like he was frustrating with me, but I've come to realize he just gets frustrated with everone else for not giving libraries enough credit! He's such a good supporter!!!

  Ginger- Athens: I'm still working through the members matter playback.... so much there...

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Thanks Ellen- I will review it soon. Can't wait

  Marsha Burgener A-HPL: I usually listen to the books for our club while doing something else.  Sometimes I have to rewind...but it's better than cramming the night before, or not reading it at all.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Bobbi. Oh thank you.  Thanks everyone. I feel so much better about this. I don't know why my anxiety gets away with me and makes me feel guilty for reading on the job. Even though it IS for work.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: Honestly, I found reading People magazine was helpful. Especially when I got to the point that I did not know all of the TV and MOvie stars, what it the hot hyped book, and recording groups. I often worked an full time job and a part time job. It was really hard to keep up.

  Ginger- Athens: Does anyone do an "annual report" for the library? Like, that you make public on Facebook or email, etc.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): We are all reading "The Bookish Life of Nina Hill' by Abbi Waxman. It's absolutely hilarious and perfect humor for librarians and book lovers.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Ellen, thank you! I want to review that webinar again. There were so many unanswered questions. I hope IHLS will put out some clarification on the non resident card?

  Jackie CAMP: Shelly he is awesome. I don't know what I would do without his advice and support

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Ginger - we do. We share checkouts/reference numbers, etc. We also share our top ten checked out items in certain categories.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: I remember when I started, I was told that if I read People magazine, I could answer 50% of the reference questions that came in.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Highly recommend it. Our book club needed a break from books about drama and abandoned children and mysteries. I like to do something light hearted in the winter months.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): This past weekend for the first time in months- I turned off the news, turned off the podcasts, listened to Christmas music- Elvis, Dolly, Tori Kelly, etc-- wrapped gifts, cleaned out a closet, read a book-- felt so peaceful-- I recommend it to you all!

  Jackie CAMP: Wishing you all a very happy and healthy holiday season, enjoy your time off.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: Ginger, I think if you do a brief report with infographics and positive highlights the community likes it.

  Ginger- Athens: @Bobbi... yes. exactly like that! ok. Do you make pretty graphs? or just put the info out there?

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: Yes, and do all non resident students enrolled in a school, not homeschool, qualify for a free library card until the start of the school year next year because the whole state is giving free and reduced lunches away?

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public: That's a good book!! I enjoyed it when I read it recently:)

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Julie, that sounds nice!

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: Ginger also prepare your staff to answer of redirect questions tht the report might create.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @ Ginger, we make graphs. I'll share them on the listserv.

  Ginger- Athens: @Anna, can you give an example?

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Ellen- too funny! I read-- no guilt either. If I have a YABC meeting, I need to be caught up-- ( not reading lately with them since this pandemic started but..) Now we send this group care packages telling them how much we miss them and hope they are doing ok

  Ginger- Athens: Thank you, @Bobbi

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Care packages are such a nice thought.  Couldn't be a better time for them.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: Rachel, that is one of the questions the ISL said they would be looking into.

  Ginger- Athens: @Shelley, I have two adopted kids. I had to abandon our recent book club book. I cannot read about orphanage abuse! I know my limits...

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Rachel, one of the MANY questions we still need answered. I am hoping to get clarification. The Member's Matter webinar was great, but people asked some really good questions - such as yours

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Ginger.  I do an annual report for the library. But it's for the board mainly. I don't make it available on our website or online because it's 7-8 pages long.  (Also ginger, you sound like an awesome boss!)

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Michelle, I had not realized how much I needed no noise in the house. it felt great

  Ginger- Athens: @Shelley, 7-8 pages sounds my speed... haha. I like to over-inform...

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Ellen. Hmmm. People magazine and reference questions. Who knew! That sounds interesting.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: @ Ginger, that is reassuring I have had one or two books that were a little to close for me, I have always felt guilty for not toughing it out.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We try to keep ours to one sheet for the public.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: We'll  know more about non-resident issues after the comment period ends in mid-January and JCAR makes the final determination on how the rules shoud read.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Julie - Silence is golden!

  Ginger- Athens: @ Bobbi, wise...

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Julie, I am trying to limit social media time right now

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: Yes.  It's frustrating because the Kid's Card is already law. So curious  what will you all do?  Put the kid's card expiration until next school year?

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Thanks everyone you answers all my questions for the day! Love you all. You my peoples.

  Ginger- Athens: @Rachel, we are giving it to all students, but are instituting a "minor's policy" of only two materials checked out at a time.

  Deb Mason Paxton Carnegie: Have a happy, safe, peaceful holiday season all!!

  Kay Burrous  South Macon: Merry Xmas and Happy New Year everyone!!!  Stay safe...

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Happy holidays, everyone!

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Angie - how are you doing?  I hope better than last week.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: Have Happy Holidays, everyone! :)

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Michelle, I had to let all the politics go for awhile,, I read just enough to know whats going on and then find something happy- It was getting so dark -- 

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: Ginger: So all minor's can only check out 2 items?

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Julie, exactly!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Ginger. Awww that's so sweet. You sound like a wonderful person. I would love to meet you someday! (I have some reading limits as well, had some bad things happen to me in 2018.).

  Shari Rawlings: Merry Christmas ! be safe

  Marsha Burgener A-HPL: Thank you all for sharing.  Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas to all.

  Ginger- Athens: yes. sad face. unless on a family card

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Yes Angie- I hope things are better this week!

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: Gotcha

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: What about expiration?

  Ginger- Athens: @shelley, merry Christmas!

  Ginger- Athens: @Rachel, one year still.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Ginger. If you want to see what my annual report contains I would be more than happy to email it to you. To request email me at  -

  Angie -- Trenton Public: @Jo .... thank you for asking.  I am better than last week.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: @Ginger, just saw your request for examples. sometimes people will also want to know some basic fact you did not include such as number of books, or square feet, or budget. But you might get people wanting to know the average salary, how much is the average tax bill for the library, why do they have to pay for one thing or another, it can go on from there.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): I am so glad to hear that Angie- I am sorry we did not ask about you sooner than this- Life is flying by way too quickly

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Angie - that's good.  Continuing to think about your.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: Happy Holidays Everyone!

  Julia Pernicka, IHLS: Happy Holidays everyone!!!

  Angie -- Trenton Public: Just reading the chat today...all good stuff.  Conserving my energy (my selfcare)

  Ginger- Athens: Thanks, Anna!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): @Ginger. We just do family cards. We used to have student cards and then was told that was illegal cause of the non-resident thing (not all kids were in our district at the time). I'm surprised they are bringing the Cards for Kids thing back. So applies to non-residents? (I'm gonna look this up later.) Thanks everone!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Merry Christmas, Happy Hannuakah, Kwanza and all that Jazz!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Thanks everyone!

  Rachel R - Steeleville Public: Happy Holidays everyone!

  Julie Jarman (Staunton): Thank you all-- Happy Holidays-- talk to you all in Jan.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public: Thank you everyone!  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Hope everyone has a lovely holiday and here's to a happy and healthy 2021!  We'll talk on the 7th of January!

  Mary Ray/Sidell District Library: Merry Christmas all!

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: Joyous, warm and healthy holidays all.

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Oh yes. Happy New Years too. Goodbye 2020!

  Shelley (Hilslboro PUblic Librar): Until next time. Bye!

  Rita Stephens  ISL: Happy Holidays to all!

  Brenda Shipley (Greenfield Public  Library): Thank you everyone and Merry Christmas!