TRANSCRIPT: COVID-19 Directors' Chat - January 14, 2021


Directors' Chat
Thursday, January 14, 2021


  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Hi, Everyone!  Happy Thursday!

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library: Happy Thursday!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: What's going on at your libraries this week?

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood! We've got grey overcast skies with snow predicted for tomorrow!

  Teresa (Paris): I'm working to finish a Live & Learn construction grant today

  Shari / Hope Welty:  We have been getting  ready to have our Blind Date with a Book.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: What's the grant going to do for you, Teresa?

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library: Keeping pretty busy here in Paxton!

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Shari - that sounds fun!

  Ginger - Athens: LOTS of inter-library loaning here... three big shelves of books. Our typical is one shelf!

  Teresa (Paris): It's for accessibility to upgrade our elevator that is apparently too old now to maintain

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Got it!

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We've started browsing appointments and those are going well. Depending on what the governor says tomorrow, we might be opening our building again on Tuesday.

  Angie -- Trenton Public: Weeding, weeding, weeding.  I'm eliminating the bottom shelf of the adult fiction and weeding the entire adult fiction area.  Started at A and am on last name O right now!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @bobbi.  It looks like many people are looking at changing things up in the next several days/weeks.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: When's LIve and Learn Construction Grant due?

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Weeding nonfiction, working on processing Back to Books

  Rachel- Sherman PLD: @Bobbi How do you handle browsing appointments?  Most people are so used to walk up service.  Do you honor all those that want to come in as walk ins?

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: We are working on an inventory of our juvenile and young adult collections.

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library: Question..what are you all doing about late fees at this point? Also, do you send bills for lost items?

  Shari / Hope Welty:  We also have been trying to weed our adult non fiction

  Teresa (Paris): @Bill  Tomorrow!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Bill, I believe those grants are due on Friday.

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Lots of genealogy donations and questions, too. 

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: Well too late this year. I didn't get the quote until yesterday

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: I hope many of  you have seen the communications sent by ILA this week.

  Beth Fuchs: We are in the process of hiring an assistant librarian.  Can we require that employees get the Coronavirus vaccine when it is available?

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Rachel - Appointments get priority. If a patron walks up and wants to browse and there's no one in the building, we let them in. If there's already a browser, we tell them to set up a time to come back.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: @Ginger, that's great!

  Sandy West - RLCA: Starting to see the finish line for the LRC remodel.  Furniture was being moved in yesterday.  Unfortunately, we can't get all the computers we had back into the location.  And, I am afraid that more weeding may be necessary, not sure if we will be able to fit them all back in.  Some of the furniture looks a bit strange, more sci-fi to me.  Hoping to send in for the 2022 architectural ILA Reporter once we accomplished it all.  Circulation desk is larger than it has ever been, no quite sure what to think and how to use that space. 

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: There is a letter that has been sent to Dr. Ezike asking that school librarians be included in Phase 1B with Educators and that public library staff be included in 1C of the vaccination roll out.  There is also a template letter that individual libraries can send to their county health departments.

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: @Ellen I am using the ILA template for a letter to my county health department.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Diana!  That's exactly what it's there for!  I'm glad you're using it.

  Beth Fuchs: What if employees refuse the vaccine?

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Beth, I don't have an answer for you on that.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: HR Source is doing a webinar on that issue (and others around the vaccine) on the 28th.

  Kay Burrous  South Macon: We are opening to the public Tuesday...

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: @Deb, there have been more libraries starting to bill. Understandably, it is causing some friction. I encourage everyone to remember the SHARE Executive Council statement from April 2020: "The pandemic has caused challenging situations for everyone, and circumstances may look different in every community. While the SHARE Executive Council recognizes that members may need to bill other libraries for lost items, they also encourage members to work together. They recommend that if a borrowing library with extenuating circumstances receives a bill for lost items, the librarian should contact the owning library to discuss special arrangements if needed. Please note: Patrons will still be billed as normal and any payments received should still be sent to the owning library."

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library: @Cassandra..thank you

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: I hope we go back to tier 2. There is books at some senior living centers I need to get back

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: We'll be gearing up for the annual certification that is expected to begin sometime in mid-February.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Deb - we aren't billing for items during the shutdown. We are sending bills for lost items since then, as we normally would. I also don't bill for every item, only ones I'm going to replace.

  Angie -- Trenton Public: @Beth Fuchs --- Some people cannot take the vaccine.  So, I'm not sure legally what you would do to a current employee who is unable to take the vaccine.

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library: @Bobbi..thank you

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: The COVID-19 Vaccine: Employer Options 1/28/2021 1:00 PM - 2:15 PM

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): Hi everyone. Joining a wee bit late.

  Ginger - Athens: @Beth, no action can be taken and I don't know that you can even require them to say if they have or haven't. Technically a HIPAA violation.

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: @Bill thank you for the info

  Beth Fuchs: Antivaxer applicant for assistant position is what we are specifically dealing with.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: Has anyone heard anything about Region 6 being able to move down a tier? We seem to be right on the verge of qualifying but perhaps not quite.

  Ginger - Athens: @Beth, Can't use that as a reason not to hire either.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Beth, that's a tough one.  I'd maybe talk to some HR or legal resource.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Michelle - we're supposed to hear tomorrow

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: sorry for joining late. Connection problem and late phone call.

  Beth Fuchs: Thank you!

  Ginger - Athens: @Beth, good luck!

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Bobbi, thanks! Hard to make plans when we are in the "maybe" category!

  Ginger - Athens: I have a question today... does anyone do a monthly (or other regular) newsletter via email?

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Teresa. I feel you on the elevator thing. Our elevator is outside and from the 90's. It freezes in the winter and has problems all the time. It's the bane of my library existence. :) (ha ha ha)

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @ Ginger - We use Wowbrary for a weekly newsletter. We put our events/announcements in it and the program automatically includes all our new items. Patrons can click on the new items and it goes straight to the online catalog.

  Teresa (Paris): @Shelley  If it just could have waited a couple more years, it would be someone else's problem

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Teresa - We will have to replace our elevator soon. What company are you using?

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): Here at Hillsboro, we are open to the public, but attendance has dropped because of covid and the winter. I've been busy with grants. Back to Books and the Public Library Construction Grant. And lately now that I have a lot more downtime, I've been reviewing and shredding library records per the Illinois Records Act guidelines and our retention/destroy records applications.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public: Our library just started a monthly newsletter via email since there are many patrons who do not have FB accounts.  It has been well received and has helped with knowing those who have moved out of our district as they ask to be taken off of the list:)

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: @ Ginger we use Wowbrary like Bobbi does.

  Teresa (Paris): @Bobbi The estimated cost is high enough that we will have to bid it out.

  Ginger - Athens: @Bobbi, does it sync with Polaris? and give the option to unsubscribe?

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Tina Hubert, the director at Six-Mile Regional Library System, had an elevator experience several years ago.  I'm sure she'd be interested in talking with any interested parties.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Teresa - thanks!

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: From what I recall, Six Mile had a very bad experience.

  Teresa (Paris): @Bobbi  Otis does our current maintenance and gave us the bad news about parts availability

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: That's right, bobbi!

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Ginger - Yes to both! We've been very happy with it. It also automatically shares new items on our Facebook page and website. We don't have to do a thing.

  Shari / Hope Welty: Has anyone stared their summer reading plans. We are trying to decide how to plan

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Teresa - Ours is on our capital plan for replacement next year and our maintenance company said that it's coming.

  Ginger - Athens: @Kathleen and @Diana, you're happy with it too? cuz that all sounds marvelous, @Bobbi!

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Ginger -We've used it for years and we've been happy with it. It's easy to use and customer service is great.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): I gotta question about hotspots. Are any of you loaning them out, where did you get them from if so, and how much do hey cost to a library?

  Ginger - Athens: We are starting summer reading plans. Making lots of plans to be outside - shaved ice truck in parking lot, crafts/painting outside, picnics and storyhours outside, also a "paint the parking lot" event

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): library* typo sorry

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Shari - my youth services manager is starting plans. He's planning virtual right now, but doing it in such a way that we could easily add in-person programming.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @ Teresa - we had our "elevator" replaced a year and a half ago.  Technically, it is a home "lift."  We used Custom Home Elevators out of St. Louis.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Teresa. I feel the same way. We will be in an entirely different building in 1-2 years. But because of ADA you can't just let elevator stuff go. Costs us $250 every time they come out here!!

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: @ Ginger we are very happy with it. They send me an email on Thursdays to remind me to update it before Saturday distribution.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Anyone want to share summer reading thoughts will Shari?

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Shelley - we have hotspots from Tech Soup.  $15 each for the devices and $120/year each for service.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: I know Hillsboro is a Carnegie building. Those of you who have Carnegie buildings do you feel you are getting to the absolute end of their lifespan?

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: @Ginger if you want to see what it looks like you can sign up on our library homepage.

  Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library): We haven't really started planning for the SRP.  I suspect it will not be in-person.  This week we just finished planning virtual programs and take n makes through the end of April.

  Nichole (Millstadt Library): I wanted to chime in about grants, we received the LTC Community Engagement grant from ALA and the webinar yesterday asked awardees to share that there's a new round of grants available. Applications are accepted from now until March 4. It's a great grant and easy to apply for. Here's the link for those interested!

  Ginger - Athens: @Diana, thank you!!!

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Anna - we are dealing with that.  Beloved and beautiful our Carnegie building is showing its 116 years of age.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Jo. Oh my gosh thank you so much! That's fairly affordable.  We may go ahead and order some because I've had a recent request for a hotspot. The only place I knew that was offering them at one time was Verizon.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: We have listed that Jeff Levinsky is our Wowbrary rep. I can't guarantee that it is current, but that might help.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: Thank you Nichole

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Jo How does the service part work for the hotspot. Do we have to go through our current internet provider or do we go through Techsoup for that too?

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: Yes, Jeff is still our rep for Wowbrary.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We have our hotspots through Sprint. The devices were free and we pay $50 per month for 2. Warning: Sprint doesn't always have the best coverage.

  Teresa (Paris): @Cassandra Yes, Jeff is current

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Anna.  We've been at the "end of our lifespan" for about 5-10 years now ha ha ha! Our building is 116 years old.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: I believe some of our libraries like Chatham and Decatur have internal EDI committees that are examining their policies, displays, etc. Anyone else have a committee like that?

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: We got lucky in the 80s and put wings (with elevator) on the old Carnegie

  Rachel - Forsyth: What is the cost for Wowbrary?  Is it based on population?  Or number of people on mailing list?

  Ginger - Athens: Thanks everybody... taking notes!

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library: This library still standing strong since 1903. Most issues thus far have been heating, cooling etc..We have a very old boiler, and the elevator is going to need upgrading in the next few years!

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Jo. I knew ours were built about the same time, but they must have been built in the same year. Makes sense they got to these areas then because our areas are very historical.

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: We have our hotspots through Sprint/TMobile. They units were free and we pay $23 a month for each one. We've had good luck with coverage in our area.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public: @Ginger, I am happy with it.  It has been a good way for us to remind patrons about the library and the different things we still offer.  One of the staff members has been writing the letters.  She has a "word" of the month and then gives information on that word.  I think the last letter was "Services" and then she related  the various services we offer to our patrons from curbside to the digital libraries we offer to notary and things of the like.  It has been a good thing...

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Shelley - we went through TechSoup to get service.  The service is actually through Mobile Beacon.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Rachel - It's been awhile since we signed up and I don't have the invoiced in front of me, but I think it's population.

  Julia, IHLS: @Ginger, this afternoon I will post the transcript online if that will help:

  Ginger - Athens: Thanks, @Julia!

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Bobbi. Sprint! That's it. I was thinking Verizon for some reason. I bet it was Spring.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @ Rachel - We paid $375 for it last year and our population is 12,000

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): t*

  Teresa (Paris): @Anna Our Carnegie is 117 years old but our addition was built in 1992. We're in pretty good shape.

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library: I"m starting to work on a succession plan..anyone able to share what you've done, suggestions, etc..?

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: @Bill and Shelley. I think the availability of surrounding land and space prove key to the continued use of the buildings. They are treasurers that you hate to lose but you need to bepractical.

  Michelle Barclay PLD: Does anyone use Direct Energy for their electric plan? The library is up for renewal with them but there are a lot of BBB complaints and even a couple lawsuits against them that I have found. Is anyone using them and happy with their service? I am wondering if I should renew with them or just go through Ameren?

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Deb: here is a sample plan:

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library: Thank you Bobbi!!

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Jo. Thanks so much and everyone about your comments about hotspots. SUPER helpful. I think I'm going to try it, but will have to come up with some strict policies for them as I know some neighboring libraries purchased them, loaned out and they never came back.

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: We pay $375 annually and have since 2016. Our population is 29,000. Also, Wowbrary is a non-profit

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): Is it bad to make a policy saying hotspots can only be for educational or work related use?

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Diana: We had one never come back. I turned off service for that one and Sprint replaced it for free.

  Shari / Hope Welty: For those who use  loan out HotSpots do you charge a late fee / or what if they don't return them

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @shelley.  Can you enforce that policy?

  Michelle Barclay PLD: @Shelley, I don't know how you would enforce that sort of policy.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Shelley - The question is how would you monitor that?

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Shelley - I'm not sure you can limit use, but we do have a strict policy for how long and how often they can be checked out.

  Susan Palmer IHLS: Leander Spearman, Belleville PL, has had a program for the hotspots for a few years now. He would be a good resource as well to reach out to in order to not recreate the wheel. I know that he has dealt with hotspots not coming back. (also, Leander knows that I share his name frequently and does not mind helping others!)

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: @Bobbi that is what we were told also. We have turned off service on several after overdue and not returned but fortunately all were eventually returned.

  Teresa (Paris): If you purchase anything on Amazon, It can reduce the cost of Wowbrary. Between what the library spends and what I and a few patrons spend, we get about $30 off Wowbrary cost a year

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Here is our equipment policy, if anyone is interested:

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Anna. We annexed so our use of the library has increased and that will help with continued use and support for our new building/future location.

  Ginger - Athens: @Shelley, you could give some preference or restriction to the hotspot only being checked out on a juvenile borrowing card, but that would scare me...

  Ginger - Athens: In fact, our juveniles can't check out electronic equipment. It has to go on an adult card

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Shari. Very good question.

  Shari / Hope Welty:  do you know if HotSpots could be purchased with per cap grant money

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Shari, I'd look at the fine print of the grant and if you can't find an answer you could e-mail the State Library

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): We could just enforce the policy just by asking if it's educational, work or personal use????

  Shari / Hope Welty:  ok thanks I will talk to the State Library

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): I don't know that there are any rules or laws saying you can't limit use?

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: @Deb, I had to check in with Lesley Z, but tell them that you are SHARE/IHLS. It is 25% off list price, and I think everyone pays $375.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): So I don't see why not? (I mean I"m not sure it's "ethical" but I want it to be used for people who are under quarantine is the idea, or people working from home

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: We don't allow juveniles to check out our hotspots or our Rokus.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Susan. I was definitely recommended to talk to Mr. Spearman. I've spoken with him once before because we have the same architect firm. Good guy

  Ginger - Athens: Has anyone changed their bi-laws to align with Cards for Kids? We came up with the rules and are working on the wording now

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Shelley - Lee Spearman is a wealth of knowledge.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Ellen or Anna. Are you aware of any laws that talk about limiting use of equipment?

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @ Ginger - we're waiting for more guidelines from the state library.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: Waiting on Cards for Kids to find out if any no served areas exist for our library, or are other libraries closer.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Thanks, Ginger.  As a reminder, any comments on the Administrative Rules should be submitted to Joe Natale at the Illinois State Library by Saturday (January 16th) .

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): I mean I know they won't be able to have any fines. So there's that. but can't we limit who uses it based on how many fines they've had in the past??????

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Shelly, do you mean library equipment?

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): My biggest fear, is we spend all this money and they don't come back.

  Julia, IHLS: Wowbrary is listed on the Vendor Discount page. I'm not sure if there is a newer offer. This says that IHLS libraries get a 25% discount.:

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): Technically yes. I feel a hotspot would be considered library equipment. Especially if we pay for the service.

  Ginger - Athens: @Bobbi, makes sense. We didn't have a juvinille card policy at all, so I wanted to start with that. I figured we'd amend as needed when we hear more

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): I think my clerk had the idea of maybe they have to put a down deposit on the hotspot and they get the money back when they are done with that?

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): Would that be better?

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): FYI: We don't have juvenile cards. We just have family cards and they can checkout by themselves under their family name.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: I need to correct myself.  The comment period ends TODAY.  Here's what I have:  45 day comment period will end on January 14th.  Comments can be sent to Joe via e-mail (Jnatale@ILSOS.GOV), phone (217-558-1745) or snail mail (300 S. Second Street/Springfield, IL/62701

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @ Shelley - whatever policy you come up with is probably okay as long as it is consistent for all patrons and as long as you don't create policy just for/because of one patron.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): I kind of forgot what "Cards for Kids is" it doesn't bypass non-resident laws does it. Isn't it only cards for kids in your school district?

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: It's for low-income, unserved kids in your school district, yes.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Bobbi, That's correct.  That's the information we've gotten from the state Library.  Shelley, you can call us and we can give you the skinny.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Bobbi. Exactly what I was thinking. It would be consistent for everyone.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): So my question is....How can "Cards for Kids" bypass the non-resident laws?  Or is it temporary, only during covid

  Jo - Greenville Public Library: @Shelley - we can talk after director's chat is finished.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Jo. Awesome.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Jo. That would be helpful I definitely want to try it.

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: Then we don't have to worry. Our school districts (I can't believe we have 12 of them) all fall in our boundaries or are part of the Centralia Library's district.

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Sorry Ellen, I've been interrupted so many times this hour.  So Cards for Kids/Vets is not passed into law as yet?

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: For anyone who wasn't able to participate in the Members Matter Meeting in December, during which the Cards for Kids program was discussed, you can view the recording at:

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @ Shelley - I think they just amended the law. It's not temporary. I also believe you don't have to participate if you don't allow for non-resident cards.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Cards for Kids is currently the law.

  Teresa (Paris): Here's a question I forgot to ask: Is Cards for Kids just for unserved in our school district? What about the school district that surrounds the town?

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Kathleen. Sorry if I interrupted you.  Sadly that's what happens in chat if it's not with voice. My apologies

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: No, no, no!  Not you Shelley!  Patrons!  With bizarre problems!  lol

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: Any unserved student is eligible for a library card at no charge.  They would go first to the library that would serve them as a non-resident.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: So, whichever library is closest to their home.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Kathleen. Oh ha ha ha.  yeah i realized that after i typed. Do tell of these bizarre problems later though!

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): OH it IS law now.

  Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library: Another librarian told me a vet came in to her library demanding a refund for his library taxes. He said that if unserved vets can get a card for free, then he should not have to pay.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): So anyone not covered in our district, but they have to be in the school district?

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): and only the kids? not the families?

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Monica.  It's veterans with a certain degree of disability.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public: We allow for non-resident cards but never have anyone come in for one.  When I look at the library districts in relation to the school district, the school district and the library districts overlap.  That would mean that we do not have any "unserved" students(kids) in our area so we would not need to be concerned about the Cards for  Kids issue - correct?

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Shelley -yes, the kids.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Shelley, that's correct.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Ellen. Ok I got it now.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): Didn't they try something like this before....

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): I feel like I've heard of it prior to 2020/2019

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: @Monica - if he's the right level of disabled, he wouldn't pay property taxes anyway. (I say this as the child of a 100% service-related disabled veterans)

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): We used to have student cards and they had to do away with them because of non-resident laws. Now it's ironic we can have them back and not be in trouble for it. I find that kind of funny.

  Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library: @Ellen @Bobbi It was a patron at Windsor Storm's district.

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: The Cards for KIds is basically a non-resident card with the key differences be they are offered to school children and that if the individual meets the requirements for reduced lunch then you determine if they qualify for a free card or not.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: If you look at the L2 entry for that Members Matter meeting:  You can view the proposed changes to the administrative rules.

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Well, you can tell the director that unless he was a service-connected, disabled veterans at the right percentage (I can't remember what), he wouldn't be eligible anyway.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Monica, @Bobbi. I didn't know that! About the veterans thing. That's interesting...

  Julia, IHLS: Jan. 27 is the next Members Matter. Noah Lenstra will present Team Up to Keep Your Communities Active and Engaged:

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Anna. Woa woa. Back up a second. They have to qualify for reduced lunch in addition to be underserved?

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): or is that just the idea behind it?

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): But my problem with that, is then you get into people's personal business. They may not want to admit their child is on reduced lunch and how do you prove that

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: Shelley they have to bring in a paper from the school saying they qualify for reduced lunch

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: OK could someone at system explain the student/veteran card situation simply. We have some contradictory things being siad and it is a bit confusing.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): yep I missed that part.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): thanks that makes a lot more sense now. Ok I totally got it now. Thanks everyone!

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Shelly.  Yes, they do have to qualify for free and reduced lunch.  We need to clarify that it is not unserved, but students at the  poverty rate.  This also does not apply to home schoolers.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): Im caught up. I read up on the Cards for kids, but i missed that part originally.

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): does not apply to homeschool huh. That seems unfair.

  Elecia Cooper - Kinmundy Public Library: how do i determine if a child qualified when our whole school district has a grant, so no one has to pay for lunch?

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): @Elecia. OOOOOOOoooo. Good question!

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Honestly, we offered this exact same thing back in March when everything shut down and I don't know that we had any takers. We only have one unserved township in our district and it's a very small one, so I'm not worrying too much about it right now.

  Diana Donahoo_CentraliaRLD: Bill here is the direct link to the document that Ellen referred to on the proposed changes

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: The veterans's cards apply to free cards for veteran's in unserved areas who have a certain degree of documented disability.  The Cards for Kids legislation states that students at the poverty rate can get a library card at no charge.  The poverty level is tied to free and reduced lunches.  Shelley and Elicia, that's a question that is currently being grappled with.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public: But if it is for kids that go to the school district in which my library sits and the whole school district has libraries (we have 3 in our district) then I should not be approached by a family who would need this, correct?

  Bill from Mt. Vernon: Thanks

  Elecia Cooper - Kinmundy Public Library: I have been waiting for a bit more direction. We have a large consolidated school district and we are the only library. We have a lot of non resident cards purchased every year. we are also a pretty high percentage of low income population so this would really be a big deal here

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: @Elecia.  Just be aware that this is already the law.  What is being worked on now is how to best manage the program.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS: I think we're close to the end of the session, but we'll be back at it next Thursday.  Hope all of you have a good weekend!

  Bobbi Perryman - Vespasian Warner PLD: Thanks, everyone!

  Monica Cameron- Shelbyville Public Library: Thank you!

  Shari / Hope Welty:  Have a great weekend !!

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial: Thank you!

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS: Bye everybody!

  Anna Yackle - IHLS: Here is something Rails wrote about Cards for KIds Time Running Out to Comment on Revised Nonresident Rules RAILS members are invited to comment on the revised public library nonresident rules. These updated administrative rules provide guidance on the 2020 Cards for Kids Act, e-resources for nonresidents, and nonresident service to disabled veterans. These additions to the administrative rules can be found beginning on page 18660 (page 46 of the PDF) of the Illinois Register. RAILS members may send any comments to Joe Natale, Chief Deputy Director of the Illinois State Library. Feedback may also be mailed to the Gwendolyn Brooks Building – Room 521, 300 South Second, Springfield, IL 62701. The comment period will run through January 15.

  Kay Burrous  South Macon: Stay Safe!!!

  Shelley (Hilslbro Public Library): thanks everyone