TRANSCRIPT: COVID-19 Directors' Chat - May 21, 2020


Directors' Chat
Thursday, May 21, 2020


Shari Rawlings:Should we limit our hours for reopening

  Anna IHLS:Hello Everyone, how is everyone doing

  Shari Rawlings:Great, We started curbside last week, going really well

  Tracy Anderson Mt. Olive Public Library:STRESSED!!!

  Kelly Zurlie:Who is limiting their hours upon reopening?

  Teresa (Paris):@Kelly  I expect to, at least for the first couple of weeks

  Anna IHLS:@Shari that is a good question. I know many people are but it depends on your staff, and the need in your  community. What makes sense for you. You can always go slowly with the whole proces

  Sandy West - Rend Lake College:Entered the LRC for the first time this morning to check out the mail and sort the newspapers.  No word yet on when the LRC is reopening.

  Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library District):I plan to open just for curbside services June 1st.

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library:Cut out our evening and Saturday hours for now. We'll see what happens as time goes on.

  Maria Dent - Mt. Zion:Mt. Zion - we are planning on limiting hours when we first open

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Sandy, We were just wondering about you and RLC!

  Anna IHLS:@Sandy good to hear from you we were hoping you were doing OK

  Bernadette:Following Board approval next week, Hayner locations will be limituing hours and closing on Sundays starting June 1.  Curbside pick up only

  Tracy Anderson Mt. Olive Public Library:I've decided the best route to go is sarting off with curbside.  This gets rid of the initial rush, and enables us to get books out.

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library:We are starting a NO contact pickup. Table right outside the door, online ordering, call when they arrive.

  Joan - Germantown:Breese, Carlyle and Germantown (Clinton County) are planning to open for curbside only early in June.

  Pam - West Frankfort Public:We opened Monday with limited hours and restrictions of # of people in the building and time limits for computer use.  We are a small library and wanted to make sure we had 2 staff at all times to clean as patrons leave.

  Anna IHLS:There are still many unanswered questions out there. I think doing it at your own pace increases your comfort level.

  Shari Rawlings:When will book delivery start again

  Jeremy - Cahokia PLD:We are looking at contactless pickup as well to begin getting services ramped up.  I am also looking at offering limited hours for this pending Board approval

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Joan----very nice that you coordinated with other area libraries

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:So far we're not planning on limited hours, but we are reserving 10 - 12 for seniors and vulnerable and limiting to ten in the building including staff, which is only one or two working at a time.

  Beth Fuchs:Are you keeping returned items separate from main collection for 72 hours?

  Teresa (Paris):When you open to public, what about restrooms? We can't clean them constantly?

  Cindy Pulsford IHLS Johnston City:We are opening June 1st Limited hours

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library:Returned items into bookdrop, isolation, sanitizing.

  Ramona - Lebanon:What program are you using to let patrons request books online? For curb-side p/u.

  Twilla Coon-Mt Carmel Public Library:We are opening june 1 limited 5 people for 20 min, my worry is getting them wearing their masks

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@ Shari----Susan Palmer and her working group are working hard on that.  Stay tuned as they're ready to roll out information.  Also, Delivery updates will be part of our Members Matter Meeting next Thursday.  Here's the link for registration:

  Anna IHLS:A message from delivery will be coming out soon. Yes you will be asked to quarantine items for 72 hours.

  Bernadette:Hayner is quaruntining all returned materials for 72 hours.  May readjust once the Batelle report is available

  Shari Rawlings:We will be keeping our restrooms closed when we first reopen

  Jeremy - Cahokia PLD:@ Teresa (Paris) - I am also worried about restroom usage and figuring that out when we open to patrons in the building

  Christi - Glen Carbon:Pray for us, we're going a full 7 days for quarantining returned items

  Ramona - Lebanon:We are planning on quarantining returned items BERORE checking them in.  Is that acceptable?

  Anna IHLS:@Teresa that is a question tat came up in a recent meeting. Many librarie are closing their restrooms to the public except for special accomodations.  The reasoning is they do not want people to be in the library any longer than necessary.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Ramona.  It seems that's the process many locations are using.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:We will offer curbside only starting June 1 pending approval from city and health department officials.  We figure that it is always easier to add more services than to take away.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:@Ramona, we are working to get members information about technology solutions for curbside service. There are a few companies including Patron Point, Unique, and Libro, among others. We have some demos scheduled in L2 and will be sending out additional information!

  Ramona - Lebanon:Thanks Cassandra!  Patron Point is beyond our budget allowances.

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:@Ramona,  that is what we plan to do.  Makes sense to keep the spread of germs to a minimum as much as possible.

  Beth Fuchs:Do we have to have permission from Health Dept and village to do curbside or reopen?

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library:@Ramona..I pick up from book drop, quarantine in an isolation room, sanitize plastic covers before they are put back in to circulation.

  Deb Paxton Carnegie have to work with your local County Health Dept.

  Anna IHLS:@Jo I think that is a wise approach and a good way to manage patron expectations. Some people will expect things to immediately go back to normal and some will be worried about ever touching a library book again.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:Understand. maybe check out Unique as it is a month to month service. It might make sense for you.

  Twilla Coon-Mt Carmel Public Library:we have tots we are having patrons put items in them then we will keep in backroom for 72 hours

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Shari- I saw a webinar from Demco yesterday that stressed not to worry as much about bathrooms. clean then a few times a day and encourage everyone to use the handsanitizer before entering and leaving the bathroom.

  Anna IHLS:@Twilla sounds like a good plan

  Anna IHLS:@Christi what made you decide to go with the 7 day quarantine?

  Shari Rawlings:Is anyone going to limit the time patrons can spend in the library

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Our restrooms are single occupancy, so it won't be as hard to give everything a good spray down with disinfectant a couple of times a day, too.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:If you need SHARE to help you set up a custom shelf location while quarantine

  Christi - Glen Carbon:The research that says that the virus can live on plastic for up to that long.  I'm looking forward to the results from IMLS, but for now, I'd rather be too cautious

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:please reach out to Dena at

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Staunton is going to a soft slow reopening- the board wants to meet soon and discuss it before making any decisions. curbside for holds only will probably be our first stage --

  Anna IHLS:@Christi good for you.

  Shari Rawlings:Our board has decided that they can have 20 minutes to pick out a book

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:*quaranting items, sorry!

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Kathleen- our restroom is too- we will do the best we can.

  Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library District):when I actually open to the public I will need to limit the time patrons stay in the library. I fear children will be dropped off at the library for hours.

  Kathelen Bennett - Catlin Public:I thought we would have patrons return items on the weekend only and then let them sit in the heat, when it shows up, and then take them out of the book drop on Friday.  That way they have 4-5 days to sit and then we will clean the covers, put them in totes and check in on Monday morning.

  Anna IHLS:@Shari I know several libraries are limitint both the time and number of people in the library.

  Jeremy - Cahokia PLD:I was looking back at some of the comments on working with health departments -- what if you don't get any clear guidance from your local/county officials?  That is currently where I am at

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Lisa, don't hesitate to adopt policies that will protect staff and patrons through this period.  Unattended children is a good example.

  Christi - Glen Carbon:I contacted Madison County healsth department and ran thfough my plans with them.  They said that it sounds like we're good for curbside, but I need to contact them again before we start letting people back in the building.

  Kelly Zurlie:Are you all closing your children's rooms for the first few weeks? I was thinking about allowing only for book check-outs, but not to "play" or "read at leisure"

  Jill Schardt - Edwardsville Public Library:We are also quarantining for 7 days.  THere was a facebook post to the Library Manangemtn Group that the preliminary IMLS and Battelle sudy indicate that the virus may still be living on some surfaces after 3 days. We thought we would err on the side of caution until we get the results.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@ Kelly---it seems lots of libraries are putting away their toys and manipulative.

  Christi - Glen Carbon:W're using our childrens room for storage of all of our uphostered chairs.  I don't think we'll be reopening it again before August.

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Kelly, we're going to put up all the toys and puzzles.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):the idea for us-- please get your items and then leave quickly- 10 or less in the buidling will not give us much choice-

  Shari Rawlings:We have put away all the childrens puzzles and toys, I am thinking for the summer

  Anna IHLS:@Lisa I agree with Ellen and I ave known libraries to put sandwich boards and big signs on the windows telling  people about restrictions. That way parents who can't get out of the car  can see the restrictions

  Kelly Zurlie:Ok. Thank you.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):We moved nearly all of our chairs out as well to discourage any loitering.

  Tammy - Chester Public:Has anyone else been contacted by KOVAL Distillery about purchasing liquid hand sanitizer? $40 a gallon but they might give libraries a discount.

  Christi - Glen Carbon:4 hands charges $35 a gallon

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@ Tammy, on social media I've seen lots of distilleries and nail polish vendors turning to hand sanitizer.  It amazes me.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Shari- we have not thought about limiting patrons to 20 mins,, we are a small library so I am not sure it will apply here. I know we are not allowing patron computers to be open for the first part,, since only 10 can be in the buidling at one time

  Susan IHLS:@Jill the preliminary IMLS/Battelle findings was removed. It was pulled I believe by IMLS. I am in the same group if it is the Library Management group for FB

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public:@ Christi - Does the hand sanitizer smell decent?  The last bottle I bought smelled like straight ethanol that you put in a vehicle:/

  Anna IHLS:It gives mehope that distilleries  and other manufacturer in the UScan still be fleet enough to be capable of producing needed products.

  Jill Schardt - Edwardsville Public Library:@ Susan So, you mean it was incorrect? 

  Twilla Coon-Mt Carmel Public Library:we put all our chairs on top of the tables  and we even closed our computer lab if not it would be hard keeping everything clean

  Brenda Gilpatrick -Red Bud Public:They are making it in Waterloo and their county has also been handing out free sanitizer to county residents.

  Christi - Glen Carbon:I like the smell better than purell, but it does smell more like alcohol

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):We found Bluestem vodka out of the Bethalto area thanks to a tip from Susan P-- :) was very happy to find them.

  Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library District):bluestem vodka? are you still talking about sanitizer?

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Twilla- I know, we are having that same problem-- ten is not a very big number. I understand why  but it is going to feel like being a preschool teacher again, constantly counting heads.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Ha!

  Susan IHLS:@Jill Let me see if I can find the screen shot I took...

  Anna IHLS:I think it is realy cool that you can buy locally and support small businesses.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Yes- but it smells like alcohol-- I do like it better than purell . 80 % alcohol

  Johnnie Halstead:Lisa Winters, I'm so glad you said that. LOL Iwas going to say Oh my I want that hand sanitizer. LOL Just kidding.

  Jill Schardt - Edwardsville Public Library:@Susan Or can you tell me what you would recommend based on what you have seen?  3 days?

  Ramona - Lebanon:I could use some vodka!  My husband is not understanding that when I do Library work on my laptop all day, that I can not be chatty with him.  But when at home, my choices are to sit on the couch, or on the bed, with laptop.  Small house!

  Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library District):One of my local vendors just started adding a COVID19 surcharge on orders. Anybody else having that issue?

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):it sounds like our weekly zoom staff meetings now on Friday with my staff.. turned into a wine party for some. LOL

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Surcharge-- really?? wow-

  Anna IHLS:@Johnnie ha ha. Right there with you. A little vodka and pink lemonade is a nice summer sipper.

  Maria Dent - Mt. Zion:For those of you opening with limited hours at first, how limited are you planning?

  Susan IHLS:@ Jill sorry. Am not familiar with the abilities of Adobe Connect....

  Shari Rawlings:I just read about some places adding covid surcharges

  Susan IHLS:@Jill, here is what it says...

  Maria Dent - Mt. Zion:Sorry - 2nd part of my query...are you having staff work in the building when it is closed to the public during initial limited hours?

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Ramona- I hear you- I have a nice study that I turned into an office- Lucky for me- I can escape in there and get some work done.

  Susan IHLS:@ Jill...if you would reach out to me via and I will share the screenshot directly with you to your email, if that works.

  Johnnie Halstead:Anna I talk big, I haven't had an alcoholic drink in years. But rum would be my choice anyway. LOL

  Jill Schardt - Edwardsville Public Library:@susan - sure thank you!

  Shari Rawlings:I am thinking of our hours being 12- 4 . usually we are 10 -5., but not sure yet

  Deb Paxton Carnegie Library:I have a huge living room window overlooking the farm where I set up a big table as a home office, which of course, my cats think I set up just for them :)

  Brenda Gilpatrick -Red Bud Public:I saw a surcharge on a resturant bill. Reminded me of the fuel surcharge businesses added years ago.

  Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library District):I currently have staff working in the building even though we are closed to the public. Currently only one at a time but June 1st will be added two or three at a time as we continue to distance.

  Erin - Crab Orchard:One of my board members told me her pastor told the congregation that they have to follow guidelines from their insurance company for services or they risk losing their coverage.  I have not received any guiadance from my insurance.  Has anyone?

  Anna IHLS:@Deb i have tried a few places and my cats try to take over all of them.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):I have two dogs in the house, they get all confused when I have a zoom meeting and think I am talking to them.I have to throw them out of the study for zoom and for taping storytimes.

  Teresa (Paris):Is it definite that it's only 10 in a building or is it based on square footage? Obviously, Walmart is not restricting to 10 in the building.

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Erin, we haven't but I've seen that being discussed on the news quite a bit.

  Tracy Anderson Mt. Olive Public Library:I read up to 5 days, per the current study.  I thought I was being overly cautious, but now Im re thinking.  We are just now getting cases in our County, and they are rising.  I'm  firm on my precautions athough it will be a fight with some staff members who are ready to open wide up.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Erin- that is a great question. last week another county close to me tried to break the Gov order and open up businesses- Insurance companies balked - plus the state threatened to pull licenses if they went against the EC. not many went ahead and opened.. It was an eye  opener..

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:Susan McKinney just shared this on the listserv

  Johnnie Halstead:Can we legally ask patrons to wear a mask and use our handsanitizer when they come into the library?

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:I hope you've all been able to fill out the survey that we sent out about reopening your library.  We SO appreciate your input!  Here's the link, please let us hear from you:

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:The CDC originally stared something similar, but it is always better to be over than under cautious.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public:One of my staff mentioned that her son, college age and last visited 11 days ago, has a fever and she would rather work alone for a few days.  Do you have any policy or guidelines for these kinds of scenarios?  I don't mind having her work alone but when do you ask an employee to stay home?  It is my understanding that most of the recent positivecases of covid in Champaign county were asymptomatic...

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):I wonder if we should check with insurance co. we are covered under the city but who knows. Phil Lenzini emailed last week about this and said insurance companines are going to balk regardless if you have a claim or not..

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Johnnie, we can legally say no shirt, no shoes, no service.  I'm thinking masks should fall into that category, but I'm not a lawyer...thank goodness! :-)

  Anna IHLS:@Erin yes Jill  from Fairview said her insurance company would not cover anything, covid or non-covid like breaking a foot. If their guidelines aren't followed. Probably worth checking in with them.

  Teresa (Paris):Here's the link straight from CDC

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Johnnie, some people have equated asking people to wear a mask to expecting people to wear shoes and shirts.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:Thanks Teresa!

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):That is going to be our policy. It is a safety issue- please be kind, please be respectful, please wear a mask!  is my new motto

  Shari Rawlings:Are you having staff wear a mask when you reopen. I am

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public:Our insurance agent said that people would have a very hard time proving that they contracted the virus specifically at our library so the liability was not an issue.

  Christi - Glen Carbon:I contacted State Farm, they do not cover anything regarding people getting sick in the building, especially viruses.  We're on our own if someone makes a claim.  Phil told me that it would be next to impossible for the person to prove that they got infected at the library, but we'd still have a mountain of legal bills if they tried.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Yes, Shari- one of our co workers is making us all two masks each- One to wear and one to wash for the next shift.

  Teresa (Paris):We may be able to say it, but will people do it? If patrons won't wear a mask, I don't see being able to force them to leave.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Christi- Thank you for sharing that- I agree with that point Phil made-

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Shari, all of our staff will be wearing masks.

  Erin - Crab Orchard:Thanks, everyone.  I'll check in with our insurance.

  Johnnie Halstead:Thank you Ellen & Kathleen

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Kathleen thanks -- that makes me feel better

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):Hi, everyone! I can only joing this chat for a little bit, as I'm attending the Midwest Digital Marketing Virtual Conference today. However, I have some information to share.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):Hi, everyone! I can only joing this chat for a little bit, as I'm attending the Midwest Digital Marketing Virtual Conference today. However, I have some information to share.

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public:We are looking into asking a couple of patrons who sew if they would make masks and we would cover the cost to offer to patrons  to wear in the library.  We would set up a donation jar to help cover the costs.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Masks- I think it really depends on where you live in the state- other places are having high numbers, some not much at all- In Macoupin, our numbers are going up so we will be enforcing it

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:You might also consider ADA compliance for those that might have a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask. You might want to be prepared for that as well.

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:I saw a quote from a health official during the Spanish flu about wearing a mask.  He said he'd rather be ridiculous than dead.  That's what I'm going with.  lol

  Anna IHLS:Now besides for County Health also check with your insurance carriers even if you are a city library.

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:Kathleen that is great!

  Beth Fuchs:To celebrate our high school graduates we are handing out balloons as they pass by the library during their graduate parade tomorrow evening.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):If you do not wear a mask, or can't wear a mask- I will be glad to have you stand outside in the hall while I try and assist you with my mask on. It if the same if they were going to smoke in the building. It is our policy so we will enforce it as long as we are in the next two phases.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Regarding masks, so much is about modeling safe practices.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):First, which the great influx of emails sent by organizations in general during the pandemic, email service providers are being more strict with that is considered junk. I would check your junk and spam email folders more frequently. In Outlook, if you find an email in junk that is NOT junk, right-click and mark it as "not junk."

  Anna IHLS:@Beth that is heartwarming

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Kathleen- I love that-- ridiculous or dead comment-

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Beth- that is great!

  Brenda Gilpatrick -Red Bud Public:As far as I can see, the CDC is pretty much saying the same thing as before. The virus enters through your eyes, noses, and mouth. Wear a mask, don't touch your face and wash your hands. And I'm adding..don't over think it!

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):Second, I seems I mixed up the AM and PM for when our public library COVID-19 survey ends (sorry about that), but it's open again now. If you can't already, you can take it at

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):The survey is open until midnight tonight.

  Anna IHLS:Thanks forthe info Shandi

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Thanks Shandi

  Anna IHLS:Please take the survey and we will share results at Members Matter on May 28

  Johnnie Halstead:I have recently found email from IHLS in my spam box, so I have to check it all the time for such things.

  Tracy Anderson Mt. Olive Public Library:The problem with that Julie is that you arent being protected by the patrons masks...  I would set up a 6ft drop for these situations, and urge them to communicate via phone or email.  There should be no lengthy conversations  right now. 

  Brenda Gilpatrick -Red Bud Public:Shandi@glad to know that about email. I was trying to figure why a lot of my email contacts were going to spam.

  Julia, IHLS:Thr, May 28 - Members Matter COVID-19 edition:

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):Third, we've gotten some questions about when libraries need to take down their virtual storytimes. I have to preface my answer with a disclaimer that I'm not a copyright lawyer. However, the publishers and authors hold the copyright, and that includes the right to performance, i.e.  if a book can we read aloud and/or recorded and where and when this can be done. This means that it's up to the individual publishers/authors on if virtual storytimes are aloud at all, if recordings are allowed at all, and how long they can remain posted.

  John H Mahomet PL:My plan as of this moment is to reopen for limited hours June 8th.  Limited hours will probably be 9-1 and 3-6 on weekdays.  1-5 on weekends.  9-10 on weekdays will be high risk/elderly  patrons only.   Masks required to enter.  Those who are anti-mask will be served using our locker system

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Ellen- I agree. I  tell everyone, if you want this to be over sooner, please wear your masks in public so we can move to the next phase.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):SO, a library really has to check with each individual publisher on whether a virtual storytime is allowed at all and what the restrictions are. Many publishers made temporary allowances, but what is/was allowed by each publisher is different. It's up to individual libraries to make sure they're in compliance.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):John I am also looking at June 8 but  we will be doing a curbside for holds only for a limited time each day- maybe 12 to 6 then clean the building from 6 to 7.. we are still working out the details

  John H Mahomet PL:We are re-opening book drops staring tomorrow only when library staff are working.  Book drops will be lined with large barrell garbage bags and books set aside for a minimum of 7 days.  I was SO hoping we would have the Battelle guidance back before we opened.  If we run into planning problems we may push limited hour reopening to June 15, or if the CUPHD doesnt approve our plan,.

  Sandy West - Rend Lake College:The survey is just for public libraries correct?

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Sandy---correct

  John H Mahomet PL:We reopened lockers on May 1st but our lockers offer us the option of contactless checkouts - something most libraries cannot offer,.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):Yes, the survey is just for public libraries. We'll likely be surveying other library types with a different set of questions at a later date.

  Johnnie Halstead:@Brenda Gilpatrick, I have checked to make sure those that come in spam are in my contacts so not sure why they go to spam.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Thanks Shandi- I do the on line story time and was wondering when all that would end/ allowances of copy right materials

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Julie, that's a great idea to close early for cleaning.  I'm going to steal that idea.

  Lisa - Stinson:What if I can't remember if I took the survey or not?? My brain is mush so would it be a problem to fill it out with the chance I already did?

  John H Mahomet PL:No mask?  We will provide one. No cost but donations are welcome.  Won't wear a mask regardless.  We will serve you via  the lockers.

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Lisa, whew...I'm glad I'm not the only one!  I can't remember either.

  John H Mahomet PL:{retty sure I did it but my brain is also mush.  talking to other directors on the phone helps.

  Anna IHLS:@John that is a nice approach

  Lisa - Stinson:@Kathleen, I'm losing it slowly but surely :)

  John H Mahomet PL:How are people handling paying people when you start being open more?  At what point are staff just going to get paid for the hours they work?

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Kathleen many businesses are doing that- I stole it from the local hardware store here in Stn.. It will be easier for us to do- We are also cleaning work stations at shift change. Everyone is getting their own bottle of germ x on the staff with their name on it as well- safey practices

  Michelle Sawicki Barclay Public Library:Are you allowing children under 2 in without a mask? I saw that in the guidelines somewhere...2 and up.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):Regarding the storytimes and copyright, I'm sorry I can't share an easier answer than that. However, I CAN share a document that School Library Journal put together, a directory of many of the publishers that DID temporarily alter their copyright allowances and a summary of what they have allowed. This directory can be found on the IHLS COVID-19 Resources for Libraries page. Here is the direct link:

  John H Mahomet PL:Also, how are you handling high-risk staff when you start expecting more hours from the staff?

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):kids under two should not wear a mask for fear of suffacation-- is what I read.

  Michelle Sawicki Barclay Public Library:Thanks, Julie.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Julie:  That's a generally accepted best medical practice, so I wouldn't worry about kids younger than two.

  John H Mahomet PL:Kids under 2?  Interesting questions to add to my list of 5000 unanswered questions.  But thanks for bringing it up.

  Lisa Winters (Allerton Public Library District):I am going to start paying staff for actual hours worked beginning June 1st when we open for curbside pickup only.

  Christi - Glen Carbon:For the survey, I wasn't sure if I'd filled it out before and once I put my library in and went to the second page I saw athat all of my answers were already filled out.

  Michelle Sawicki Barclay Public Library:@ John, you're welcome lol

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):I am not sure how to spell suffacation-- LOL..the things I find funny these days.

  Lisa - Stinson:@Christi - thanks I'll check mine after this

  Beth Fuchs:We started paying staff for hours worked only on May 1.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):John- I think most of  our staff could be considered high risk we are all older- we are still weighing all the options..

  Jeremy - Cahokia PLD:When paying staff for hours worked, are there exceptions for FT staff who have an expectation of a certain number of hours worked?  Or do you just work them their normal hours?

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public:@John Our board will start paying the staff in June only for the hours they actually work in the building.  They have generously paid everyone their average hours prior to this.

  Anna IHLS:The new mutation of the virus that seems to target children is scary. I wonder if they will come up with special instructions and restrictions if that beconmes more common

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):John- what are your plans for higher risk and more hours?

  Kathleen Rister - Groff Memorial:Lisa, I feel like I am losing my marbles.  My desk at home is a wreck, my desk at work is a wreck, my house is a wreck.  Everything seems like some weird fragmented time-warp!  lol

  Ramona - Lebanon:Lebanon Board voted to continue to pay staff their normal scheduled hours up to 8 more weeks, or until we are reopened fully.  Each are doing some work from home during the sip. 

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Anna- I agree. that is really something- found in 24 states now I believe (children)

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:@Ramona.  That's really nice for your staff.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Ramona- that is great-- everyone is still getting paid

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):Also, many of the library reopening plans that public libraries have been willing to share with us *and* other libraries have been posted to the IHLS COVID-19: Resources for Librarians page.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Kathleen and Lisa- You are not alone- some days are better than others

  Lisa - Stinson:There are 3 of us that are considered high risk, but my other staff is stepping up for when we can start curbside.  I did finally talk with someone at our health department today and I thougt she was going to have a heart attack when I mentioned curbside service, I think she thought I meant starting now. After talking to her we are aiming for the 15th and she gave me very strict guidlines and things to watch for.

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):Finally, it's my birthday on Sunday. I have not added that to the Resources for Librarians page, however. ;)

  Shari Rawlings:Our library board agreed to pay staff their regular pay the whole time

  Christi - Glen Carbon:Happy early birthday!

  Michelle Sawicki Barclay Public Library:Happy Birthday!

  Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public:Happy Birthday, Shandi!

  Lisa - Stinson:@Shandi, should I send you ours?

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:Happy Birthday, Shandi!

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS)::)

  Ramona - Lebanon:One thing I assigned for them to do at home is complete the new, annual, mandatory, sexual harrasment training on the State website.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:As we get closer to the end of the hour, please don’t forget to:Complete the Libraries Reopen Survey at: Register for Members Matter (5/28/20):

  Lisa - Stinson:And Happy Birthday Shandi.

  Anna IHLS:@Shandi I will get right on startingthe go fund e account for your present

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):awesome ;)

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Shari- Staunton board did too- we are all being paid our normal schedule

  Sandy West - Rend Lake College:Thanks for the interesting comments and questions.  Happy Birth Shandi!  Tuesday, was my 50th birthday.  Not much fun when you can't celebrate

  Christi - Glen Carbon:My Board's going month by month to pay staff regular hours, it is starting to wear on them a bit.  They're concerned about how it will look to the public if they continue to get paid while not working their regular hours

  Twilla Coon-Mt Carmel Public Library:i have a board member feels if we dont open our regular hours its going to make alot of people mad

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Everyone enjoy Shandi's birthday and the long weekend!

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):It's my 35th. Happy birthday, Sandy!

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:Happy Belated Birthday, Sandy!

  Shari Rawlings:Hope everyone has a great weekend

  Cassandra Thompson, IHLS:Thanks everyone! Have a great Memorial Day/Shandi’s Birthday weekend!

  Twilla Coon-Mt Carmel Public Library:Happy Birthday

  John H Mahomet PL:I have a manager who thinks we are going to get killed on social media etc if we dont open soon.  But I cant use that as a reason to ignore safety.

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):Take care all -- enjoy the much needed break- Thanks everyone!

  Jo - Greenville Public Library:Thank you all.  Lots to think about and your opinions help.

  Lisa - Stinson:Happy Birthday to eveyone having one or had one and have a great weekend!

  Shandi Greve Penrod (Mktg Coord, IHLS):@Lisa, if you'd like! There's a place to upload it in the public libraries survey, or you can email it to me at

  Julie Jarman (Staunton):John- I agree, do what you think is right ...not social media-

  Lisa - Stinson:@shandi thanks!

  Anna IHLS:always willing to celebrate other peoples birthdays. Happy Birthday Sandyand Sandi.

  Ellen Popit/IHLS:Bye, everyone.  Hope we see you all at Members Matter!

  Anna IHLS:Take care all and stay healthy .

  Anna IHLS:goodbye

  Johnnie Halstead:Thank You all for having this chat.

  Debby Nokomis Public:Happy Birthday, Shandi!

  Debby Nokomis Public:Happy Birthday, Sandy!

  Debby Nokomis Public:Thanks for the information.