TRANSCRIPT: IHLS Directors' Chat - May 12, 2022


Directors' Chat
Thursday, May 12, 2022


Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  Please join us for the next Members Matter, Thursday morning at 10 a.m. The topic is Serving Those With Memory Loss and Their Care Givers Many communities are experiencing the aging of their population. This brings challenges to libraries as they try to entertain, provide resources, and serve the older members of their community facing memory loss and other challenges.

Laurie Skinner, Information and Readers Services Manager, Highland Park Public Library, Alanna Sablotny, Local History/Genealogy Reference Librarian, Chatham Area Public Library District, and Chatham Area Public Library District, and Sue Monteyne, a former caregiver and Chatham Area Public Library District Cardholder will discuss their efforts in serving individuals facing memory loss and dementia.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  On the Thursday's that we have Members Matter we do not have the Directors Chat. But we will resume the normal routine on Thursday May 26 at 1:00 p.m.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  Is it as hot and oppressive where you are as is it is in lovely Carbondale.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  It is supposed to be sunny but is actually overcast and just holding the heat in.

Sara Z - Litchfield:  it is miserable hot here Leah Gregory, IHLS:  So hot here in Edwardsville.

Sara Z - Litchfield:  about 3/4 of our town had NO POWER most of yesterday

Kami Komm - Germantown:  Super Hot.  Has anyone lost power?  We are fine at the library, but my house is having issues.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  My preferred temp. range is 45 to 75 with a pleasant , gentle breeze.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  I've heard from more than one person that tried to turn on their air conditioning and it's not working. The service people are really back up here.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  Oh Kami, I am so sorry for you. That is almost as bad as not having heat in the winter.

Kami Komm - Germantown:  Yes.  Mine is air conditioning.  Fan runs in the house, but the outside unit is not working.  Also, half of the outlets/lights in the house are not working.  It is spooky.

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD:  Walking outside feels like walking into a wet, hot blanket.

Sara Z - Litchfield:  @ Esther  congrats on your ILA win!!!

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD:  Thank you, Sara

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Esther, you nailed it and to echo Sara Congratulations! Sara you were in a tough race.  I have known Alex for close to 20 years  and like him very much but I still voted for you. I hope you will run again and I think you would bring a lot to the table.

Sara Z - Litchfield:  @Anna thanks but I am just as happy without the win. lol

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Esther, you will be amazing.

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD:  Thanks, Anna!

Bill from the Brehm Library:  The feds want us to start using a Unique Entity ID instead of a DUNs number. Any idea when this will start? Has anybody signed up for one? How was it applying for one?

Sara Z - Litchfield:  @Bill not until they make me! lol

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  So, I saw chatter on the list about Summer Reading, outdoor play areas, and the bill about cards. Any comments or desire to further discuss those issues?

Sara Z - Litchfield:  @Anna what about cards now?

Carol Brockmeyer:  So is the UEI mandated? I know you do need the number if applying for Federal Grants. I went through the process yesterday and it is time consuming and they ask a lot of strange stuff for a public library. I got the impression it is more intended towards vendors or people looking to get awarded bids from businesses??? I am and was a bit confused.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  I am getting ready to submit a grant to the state to create an online portal of resources and interactive online training for trustees. I will be looking for trustees and directors to serve on the two committees that I hope to create to guide me through the development. One will be an advisory committee made up of ILA, RAILS, ILS and IHLS staff plus a few trustees and directors and then another would be the user feed back group. I would appreciate any suggestion for people to serve on either committee.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Sara, there is a bill waiting to be signed by the governor that would allow library boards to let anyone under the age of 18 to get a card for free regardless of income.

Esther Curry--CE Brehm Memorial PLD:  @Carol--That's how it seemed to me also. Lot's of questions about sales and profits.

Sara Z - Litchfield:  @Anna oh. yeah. that one. *eyeroll*

Carol Brockmeyer:  That bill makes no sense.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Carol and Esther, yes it will be required on everything you used to have to use your Duns number on. I was hoping to find a way other than going through the  site.

Carol Brockmeyer:  We already give library cards for free and under 18?? Am I missing something?

Carol Brockmeyer:  And no matter the income??

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  @Carol, the current free cards is for those who qualify with low income.  The new one is for any one

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  *any one under 18 Bill from the Brehm Library:  How are peoples circ stats going. Ours aren't back to normal yet, but are steadily increasing.

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  The current one is mandated.  The second one is optional - your board can vote to approve it.

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  @Bill, we are the same as you.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Carol Yes, this bill was championed by RAILS in an effort to move us all closer to state-wide universal card coverage, esp. for anyone under 18. it is based on a noble concept but will be problematic for some libraries.

Sara Z - Litchfield:  @Anna how does it work in unserved areas? Which IHLS has a ton more than RAILS

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  I know a few people on the list said their stats were back to normal or better but I think most are still trying to recover. My question is what are or will you do to get them back up? Do you think this is just the way it will stay?

Amy Byers - Chatham APLD:  Our numbers got a lot better when we stopped requiring masks. We aren't at pre-pandemic numbers yet, but we're getting there. 

Alex Fisher (Pinckneyville):  I wonder if the state would consider compensating smaller libraries with small budgets for the revenue lost as a result of the bill. Has that idea been brought up?

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Sara, again people can decide if they want to participate or not but I have concerns. We all know their are many unserved areas and many are poor. We also know of areas  like here in Carbondale where there are some very wealthy people with mansions in unserved areas who could pay but don't want to. I worry about libraries feeling pressured into this and also it seems like a disincentive to taxpayers in voting for library expansion.

Angie -- Trenton Public:  Has anyone got their letter about Per Capita yet?

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Alex, that would be nice and the legislature is aware of the impact of unfunded mandates but I have not jumped on any bandwagons to give anyone any money for them.

Marsha Burgener A-HPL:  Our numbers are not near what they were before pandemic, but from Feb to March we had a 42.5 increase.  It appears e-stats are starting to climb higher than in house stats.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Marsha, that is very interesting. What esources are being most used?

Marsha Burgener A-HPL:  Libby and Hoopla

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  If I remember  correctly  other people were noting an increase in e resources as compared with precovid especially.  Anyone else notinging this?

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  @Angie - we haven't.  Have you?

Angie -- Trenton Public:  No, not yet.  And usually we have by now, so I am worried that it might be another year where we do not get any money.

Kami Komm - Germantown:  E-Resouce use has doubled here.  Not as many patrons through the door, but items are being used.

Sara Z - Litchfield:  @Angie I hope not! With all the covid funds available, it would be nice if we got MORE but I'm sure that won't happen

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  @Angie - yikes!  I hope not! 

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Angie, the state library says everything is in good shape. So do not lose sleep yet.

Sara Z - Litchfield:  and if they use 2020 census numbers, ours will go down

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  I love Hoopla.

Kathleen Bennett - Catlin Public Library Dist.:  Just to clarify, I need to apply for the UEI for my library, correct?

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  Leah, I love HOOPLA too.  @ Sara and all. I keep racking my brain trying t figure out a way to measure disparities in library funding , level of need, and lost opportunity costs to make our case. I do not have the statistical expertise to figure out those numbers or really how to measure them. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Kathleen, yes. Everyone need to switch from Duns to UEI.

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Anna, I think that's a bit of what Janette from RAILS is trying to do for school libraries. She is a data expert, and I can only process a little bit of it.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  I see two neww directors here. Margaret Agnew is the new director at Cahokia Heights and Nichole Inboden is the new director at Norris City. Welcome and congratulations on your new position.

Margaret Agnew:  Thank you!

Margaret Agnew:  Nice to virtually meet you all Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Welcome to both of you.

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  Congratulations and welcome!

Sara Z - Litchfield:  welcome and congrats on your new job

Amy Byers - Chatham APLD:  Welcome! 

Nicole Inboden:  Thank you!

Mary Ray/Sidell District Library:  Welcome newbies!

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  So Margaret and Nichole how long have you been on the job? Is it like what you expected? And do you need help?

Margaret Agnew:  This is only week three for me Nicole Inboden:  This is my second week

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @ Margaret, that is hardly enough time to go through the file cabinets. I hope to visit you soon but I did see you registered for DU.

Margaret Agnew:  Yes, very excited to go! I have a ton to learn

Danielle Beasley - Communications Coordinator:  Just a reminder, there is still time to leave your feedback for the IHLS FY2023 Budget and Operational Plan. Feedback will close on May 20.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  Nicole, I am sortry you were given the positon after the cut-off but if you are interested in going to Director's U I can put in a pitch for you. Just contact me at

Danielle Beasley - Communications Coordinator:  This is a great opportunity to look at the System's plans for the next fiscal year and ask any questions. We're happy to provide answers as best we can!

Margaret Agnew:  Thank you! I will give that a look

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  @Danielle, thanks for the reminder. We would like everyone to go to our website and look at our operations plan and comment. Danielle is their a link they can use?

Jo Keillor - Greenville Public Library:  I can't recommend Director's University enough!   I learned so much!

Danielle Beasley - Communications Coordinator:  Here is the link to the documents and feedback form:

Marsha Burgener A-HPL:   DU is wonderful!  I went the first year it was offered and was invited back for the 10th anniversary year.  It was the best experience, both time!  If you have the opportunity to attend, take it!

Nicole Inboden:  Thank you Anna! I plan to attend next year.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  I am approaching my 4th year here at IHLS and paid more attention to this years plan than ever before and found it really interesting. I think it is important that you look at it to understand how we operate. @ Sara Z, you were on our board and you probably no more about the process than anyone else.

Sara Z - Litchfield:  @Anna it is a huge undertaking for IHLS staff to do on an annual basis.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  There will probably be a 3 day session in the fall called DU 2.0. I will share information as I get it. I think it will be a high demand event.

Carol Brockmeyer:  du is great. And I also went to the reunion. Time for a reunion/reunion.

Carol Brockmeyer:  Always something to learn.

Sherry - Allerton Public Library:  @Anna - I know you said you would share information about it but what is the premise of DU 2.0?

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  Maybe we should have a reunion for IHLS Directors who previously attended.  I don't want to reinvent the wheel but it would be great for community building and resource sharing.

Anna Yackle IHLS Admin:  Well it is the witching hour of 2:00 p.m. and we must close. Thank you for coming. See you at Members Matter at 10 a.m. on the 19th and then here on the 26.

Marsha Burgener A-HPL:  Bye, everyone!

Leah Gregory, IHLS:  Bye everyone! Stay cool!

Carol Brockmeyer:  Bye

Margaret Agnew:  Bye!